Thursday 22 August 2024

Ship yards of York (part 3)

I had completed building the English and Spanish ships a couple of weeks ago, prior to heading to Mt Barker for John's game of Laichling, but it has taken me a while to apply any paint to them. Now that has begun (slowly), it is time for a little update and to respond to previous comments and questions!

English ships, undercoated, with added dry-brushing. I started painting the 100-gun 1st/2nd rate on the right, but stopped as I looked for 'guides' of colour-schemes to use for each ship.
French ships. I had part-painted these years ago, but have now applied the grey and white dry brush—hence they look a real mess at present. I had wondered if I'd prefer the approach of undercoat, apply base coat, dry-brush and then highlight. Fortunately, I do not, so will use the easier and quicker method of undercoat, dry-brush and then colour (which will be the case for the English and Spanish ships).
Spanish ships, undercoated and dry-brushed. The 'mighty' Santisima Trinidad at the front and the strangely 'stumpy' Rayo behind her, then six 74s, frigates, merchant ship and brigs.

Ray, you asked about my intentions with painting the ships**. Apart from not very well(!), I am painting them using a modified 'Mitch method'. This involves my usual undercoat in Payne's grey, now followed by the 'Mitch magic' of a dry-brush with grey and then with white, before adding the appropriate colours as part paint, part highlight. Mitch uses inks (and is considering army painter), but I don't particularly like the brightness of inks and am not into 'new fangled' things like army painter (haha), so am sticking to simple acrylic paint. I'll leave the fancy stuff for the likes of you and Mitch, Ray! 

**Incidentally, I went to check exactly what you had said and asked and could not find your comment on my blog. I had seen it and read it via the email that I receive notifying me of a new comment; but it was not on the blog?! I went looking and, sure enough, there it was in the list of comments but marked as 'spam'. How rude of blogger!! This is the second time that it has happened with one of your comments. I have no idea why! Anyway, rectified now and your comment is posted.

I finished the undercoating and dry-brushing over the weekend and started the 'colouring in' last night. I did not get far though, part of one ship, before I hit a road-block. It's the same one that I get with non-uniform land units. What colours do I want to use? How can I make them all look different?

The ships can all be basically painted the same; most often some sort of brown, light or dark, but sometimes almost yellow, or red which is alternated, generally with black, for the decks/lines of guns and sections in-between. Alternatively they could be painted with the main body of the ship one colour and black (or other colour) for the lower hull and around the deck. Most ships had splashes of colour and often gold around the figure-head and the decorative galley/captain's cabin (rear).

There are quite a few options and I would like a bit of variety. Some way to discern between the look of the ships. So, I put down the brushes and went searching for pictures that showed variations of colour schemes for the first, second and third rate ships, frigates, sloops, brigs and cutters.

This took me several hours last night, and some more today, but I now have pictures of representative vessels for English, French and Spanish ships of each class to act as a painting guide or perhaps a 'library of inspiration'. It will be paints out again this arvo'/evening.

In response to my previous post about the ships, there was a bit of a 'discussion', via comments, about periods that we do not wargame. A few of you mentioned that Napoleonic naval is not one that 'grabs' you sufficiently. I can understand completely. It does not have the same visual appeal as large-scale land battles, there is the messy business of building the ships and the (real or potential) problem of all that rigging. Then, when you get them on the table, the wind messes with where you want your ships to go and you never get to engage with the enemy!

For me, Napoleonic naval follows a familiar wargaming story. I have always had an interest in this aspect of the French Revolutionary-Napoleonic period, but I am now in deeper and deeper, thanks to the process of constructing these fiddly little f#@$%!! ships, looking into colour schemes to use and, most importantly, what to do with them.

I had a bit of an epiphany regarding this last point.

I was looking at various, smaller actions, one here another there. Quick searches and then skimming entries on Wikipedia, was sufficient to produce a list of three or four. It was not a particularly structured and not really what I wanted. I wondered about a listing of all of the actions, so as to choose some to have a go at on the tabletop.

Like any encyclopaedia, Wikipedia is a useful, first pass to get an idea about a topic (battle). Generally, I am after more depth, so go looking elsewhere. If my books are lacking (as they are for naval), then I'll head to JStor, archive.org or look at the references listed under the entry in Wikipedia. In this case, it was the reference list for one of the actions that yielded some real 'gold'! Three tomes that have all the details that I am looking for:

• Batailles Navales de la France vol 1–4, by Troude,

• The naval history of Great Britain vols 1 to 6, by James,

• Biographie Maritime vol 1–3, by Hennequin.

These are all secondary sources, but were written and published soon after the events, so are almost a primary source. I was able to get the complete set of all three from the marvellous archive.org and Gallica BnF.

I now have a new and exciting (to me) 'cunning plan'. I'll do the lot.

All of the naval actions of the French Revolutionary-Napoleonic wars. I have begun to make my list, going through Troude and James. I am making a few notes about each action and page references for when I go back looking for the details. Most of the early encounters were small; ship to ship 'duels' or a few ships against one, or small numbers on each side. Predominantly involving frigates, sometimes even smaller craft.

The first action will be the 'Battle of Tellicherry', 19th November 1791 off the south-west coast of India. It was a peace-time attack by two English frigates on the French frigate Résolue. Perhaps 'phoney war' is a better description for the 'peace' of the time, as the French were escorting goods into Mangalore for the Kingdom of Mysore that was in conflict with the British East India company. Needless to say, the attack on a ship in peace-time caused quite a stir, but the burgeoning British Empire and naissant French Republic were soon at war.

Serendipitously, the fact that the actions were all small ones, prior to May-June 1794, makes them ideal for testing out the rules and developing an approach for handling larger affairs. It also means that, once they are painted, I can add rigging to the ships on an 'as needs' basis.

22 comments:

  1. Pleased to see you are making some progress with the ships. James and the smaller actions you have discovered sound just the thing required to make a start in this genre - I look forward to naval AAR's in due course!

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    1. Thanks Keith. I'm going to the big smoke today (well, outskirts of) to get a few things. Some material to use as 'ocean' is on my list!

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  2. I admire your perseverance with those ships James! I bought some earlier in the year (looks like the same scale judging by the 'lolly sticks') and they weren't half fffff-fiddly.

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    1. More than a few words were said Chris, don't worry!
      It's loads better now that they are assembled (masts and sails glued in place)—painting is more fun. Mind you, I have already needed to do some running repairs, so we'll see how they hold up in 'battle'. Like the real thing, they appear 'big and strong', but are actually quite vulnerable!!

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  3. Great work James, they ships are looking good......wonder if this comment will be sent to spam?

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    1. Success! Hopefully blogger has been 'trained' and will be appropriately respectful from now on.
      Thanks as ever for your comment and encouragement Ray!

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  4. Probably a good idea to start with a few smaller-scale actions rather than aiming for Trafalgar as a starting point. You are right in that I find Napoleonic gaming can be frustrating at times, especially for the player that has to spend half the game tacking into the wind. I have never really found a set of rules that provide the heightened level of excitement or tension I find I get with land games of most periods. There always seems to be a level of dryness about them, even though they are set at sea. Perhaps that is to do with the wind rules, sail settings etc. which are necessary to provide an accurate flavour of the period. That said, I do find Napoleonic gaming very enjoyable when played from time to time.

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    1. You have to enjoy the 'sailing' part as well, don't you? It's similar to the way that I consider association football, lots of seemingly endless manoeuvre and few, brief moments of action. Mind you I find naval wargaming thousands of times more interesting than association football...!

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    2. LOL - that is your "Australianism" shining through there James - and I suppose you will try to convince us that there is anything at all that is interesting or exciting about a 5 day cricket test match..... :)

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    3. It is the only form of cricket isn't it Keith? Marvellous, especially listening over the 'wireless' while working outside, painting or whatever—unless you can be at the ground getting a 'skin full'!! :)

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  5. Just saw this post, which may be of interest: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=581041

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    1. Sensational Lawrence, thanks! Amazing timing that he only posted it a couple of days ago. I'll grab a few of those for sure. 'Logs of the great sea fights' and 'The influence of sea power upon the French Revolution and Empire' are in the bag already!

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  6. I love Nap naval. It’s the only Naps that I own.
    Good job on those ships. I think ships that small would be hard to make individualistic as the details are so little.
    And I always liked the sailing aspect; that you simply can’t go anywhere you want. 😀

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    1. From today I shall work on getting you into proper wargaming; i.e. Napoleonic land warfare.
      Thanks for your encouragement regarding the ships Stew. I am having a go at making them a bit different from one another. I think that it is working. Different coloured 'lines' for gun decks vs in-between 'space' is proving a bit tricky though!

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    2. LOL. better men than you and me have tried to get me into naps. I just don't like it. 😆

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    3. "You cannot be serious?"!!!!

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  7. Look forward to following your progress with the models and your first actions. Good plan to start small... gets the models on the table quickly.

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    1. Thanks Richard. Hopefully my ships can look 1/10th as good as yours!

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  8. A'dmirable' dedication, James. I can't wait to see the ships in action using the Action Under Sail rules.

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    1. Thanks Julian. It's your 'fault'(!!), but I am determined not to work on (the many) figures until these are done. Now, there is the consideration of about 35 more to have 'sufficient' for the larger actions.
      I have begun to look at the rules again and am still convinced that they will be a goer for a more detailed approach, perhaps requiring (or more enjoyable when played over) multiple 'sessions'.

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  9. Good progress, I like the Napoleonic naval history it's playing the game that appeals less, mainly because I'd have to stop painting all the troops I have primed, like you're doing!
    Best Iain caveadsum1471

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    1. Spot on Iain. I was only saying to Julian yesterday that I am determined to finish these even though it is halting any painting of the many figures!

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